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		<title>Comment on Forget &#8220;Big Pharma&#8221; &#8211; here&#8217;s the fraud by Jonathan Hunt</title>
		<link>http://joelgilmore.com/2011/01/alt-med-fraud/comment-page-1/#comment-628</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jan 2011 04:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Joel ;-). Happy new year. Hope you&#039;re dry. Sorry this turned in to a longer speel than I planned - possibly because I&#039;m meant to be writing a thesis ;-).

I think we can both agree that good science (and statistics) aka evidence-based medicine is the only type of medicine worthy of the name.

But don&#039;t overstate the case for big pharma. Of course, there&#039;s no question pharmaceutical products have massively improved our lives, perhaps none more so than vaccines. But, in fact, most of the large pharma companies also own &quot;alternative medicine&quot; brands as well. These companies regularly get caught withholding access to information, misleading people, hiding known side-effects, etc. etc. etc.

See, for instance, Merck and Elsevier collaborating to publish fake journals (http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/05/when_big_pharma_pays_a_publisher_to_publ.php), or that only in the last few years have companies been forced to disclose all their clinical trials rather than a selective few (see also, bad statistics). Think for a moment, how far away both of these behaviours are from evidence-based medicine. You point to an (absolutely unacceptable) case of deliberate fraud by a handful of individuals to publish a paper. Here are two mainstream companies collaborating to publish entire fake journals to give to Australian doctors and then to cover it up afterwards. Think of the credibility the Merck now has in the public eye if they want to complain about some alternative quack being misleading or how they expect us to believe them when they promise their latest vaccine work and has few bad side-affects. Who do they have to blame but themselves for this situation?

We could debate why these incidents keep occurring (again I think the word &quot;money&quot; might come up) but its a matter of public record that large pharma have a murky track record.

The point I make is that I think you should defend medicine against incursions of bad science whether from quacks or pharma, and neither have a great track record. For instance, see Marcia Angell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcia_Angell) who has been critical of both pharma companies and alternative medicine for not doing good science.

I&#039;m currently taking a supplement for some joint problems made by an &quot;alternative medicine&quot; company. I told my mother I wouldn&#039;t unless she showed me some believable research that it works. She found some (independent, peer-reviewed, double blind, placebo-controlled) studies that showed the &quot;active ingredient&quot; of the supplements actually do reduce joint pain [I am, of course, assuming that the authors of the study haven&#039;t been deliberately misleading]. As Tim Minchin would rightly say, now all I&#039;m taking is medicine. The thing is, I think I would have had the same reaction had my mother offered me a drug from Merck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Joel <img src='http://joelgilmore.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . Happy new year. Hope you&#8217;re dry. Sorry this turned in to a longer speel than I planned &#8211; possibly because I&#8217;m meant to be writing a thesis <img src='http://joelgilmore.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
<p>I think we can both agree that good science (and statistics) aka evidence-based medicine is the only type of medicine worthy of the name.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t overstate the case for big pharma. Of course, there&#8217;s no question pharmaceutical products have massively improved our lives, perhaps none more so than vaccines. But, in fact, most of the large pharma companies also own &#8220;alternative medicine&#8221; brands as well. These companies regularly get caught withholding access to information, misleading people, hiding known side-effects, etc. etc. etc.</p>
<p>See, for instance, Merck and Elsevier collaborating to publish fake journals (<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/05/when_big_pharma_pays_a_publisher_to_publ.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/05/when_big_pharma_pays_a_publisher_to_publ.php</a>), or that only in the last few years have companies been forced to disclose all their clinical trials rather than a selective few (see also, bad statistics). Think for a moment, how far away both of these behaviours are from evidence-based medicine. You point to an (absolutely unacceptable) case of deliberate fraud by a handful of individuals to publish a paper. Here are two mainstream companies collaborating to publish entire fake journals to give to Australian doctors and then to cover it up afterwards. Think of the credibility the Merck now has in the public eye if they want to complain about some alternative quack being misleading or how they expect us to believe them when they promise their latest vaccine work and has few bad side-affects. Who do they have to blame but themselves for this situation?</p>
<p>We could debate why these incidents keep occurring (again I think the word &#8220;money&#8221; might come up) but its a matter of public record that large pharma have a murky track record.</p>
<p>The point I make is that I think you should defend medicine against incursions of bad science whether from quacks or pharma, and neither have a great track record. For instance, see Marcia Angell (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcia_Angell" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcia_Angell</a>) who has been critical of both pharma companies and alternative medicine for not doing good science.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently taking a supplement for some joint problems made by an &#8220;alternative medicine&#8221; company. I told my mother I wouldn&#8217;t unless she showed me some believable research that it works. She found some (independent, peer-reviewed, double blind, placebo-controlled) studies that showed the &#8220;active ingredient&#8221; of the supplements actually do reduce joint pain [I am, of course, assuming that the authors of the study haven't been deliberately misleading]. As Tim Minchin would rightly say, now all I&#8217;m taking is medicine. The thing is, I think I would have had the same reaction had my mother offered me a drug from Merck.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ranking teacher performance by Joel</title>
		<link>http://joelgilmore.com/2010/08/ranking-teacher-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-625</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally - I wish that LA Times had a micropayment system of some sort so that I could put my money where my mouth is. There&#039;s an incredible amount of work gone into this story - &quot;undercover&quot; work interviewing teachers, the maths of the rankings...not to mention fighting the Unions now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally &#8211; I wish that LA Times had a micropayment system of some sort so that I could put my money where my mouth is. There&#8217;s an incredible amount of work gone into this story &#8211; &#8220;undercover&#8221; work interviewing teachers, the maths of the rankings&#8230;not to mention fighting the Unions now!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ranking teacher performance by Jonathan Hunt</title>
		<link>http://joelgilmore.com/2010/08/ranking-teacher-performance/comment-page-1/#comment-624</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Hunt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2010 06:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When newspapers put in the effort to do the hard work to break these sorts of stories I get optimistic about their future again (although I&#039;m not sure if LA times will make back the cost of this story in ads).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When newspapers put in the effort to do the hard work to break these sorts of stories I get optimistic about their future again (although I&#8217;m not sure if LA times will make back the cost of this story in ads).</p>
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		<title>Comment on I Digg emergence! by Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2010 12:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even cooler is that it&#039;s still evolving! Are we going to see another phase change? Or has it reached an equilibrium?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even cooler is that it&#8217;s still evolving! Are we going to see another phase change? Or has it reached an equilibrium?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome by Joel</title>
		<link>http://joelgilmore.com/2010/08/hello-world-2/comment-page-1/#comment-613</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2010 13:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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(Oh no! Paradox!)</description>
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<p>(Oh no! Paradox!)</p>
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